I love when someone leaves a comment that tries to diffuse some of the things I post about Christianity. It's not the debate part or arguing part (if you even call it that) that I love the most -- it's the invitation to take the words I write and break them down deeper. I want to squash any doubts that might exist out there about Christ. And if someone is posting a comment like that, then I have to assume there are others out there that feel the same way.
So allow me to retort -- the anonymous commenter left a very knowledgeable, well-written reply. His/her comments are italicized, and my rebuttal is below each statement. Let me know your thoughts... it's important to me that you understand my words. Remember, I am not a Biblical scholar, nor did I ever attend any classes or seminary. Every time I am about to write in my blog, I pray that the Holy Spirit will speak the Lord's word through my fingers, and that I might be able to express clearly what it is we should know about Christ. I firmly believe that He is doing that. My thoughts and explanations come not from me, but from the Holy Spirit within me. If you don't believe that, then that's your choice -- but remember, this time last year I wasn't even a Christian. I am here for a reason. You are reading for a reason. Just keep an open mind:
(Commenter)
There are many contradictions from the the first chapter alone in the Book of Genesis.
Take the following examples.......
1. "Let there be light; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day." Genesis 1:3-5
This statement indicates that the first thing created was the day and night.
But we know that day and night would come after the existence of the sun and through its rise and set. However, verse 14 from the same chapter indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day:
"And God said, let there be lights in the firmaments of the heavens to separate the day from the night: and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, and let there be lights in the firmament of heavens to give light upon the earth, and it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; He made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, to rule over the day and over night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning. A fourth day." 1:14-19
This statement indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day, and from here the days should start. This, of course, disagrees with verse 3 which informs us of the start of the day three stages before the formation of the sun.
2. The same chapter states that the vegetation, plants yielding seed, and the fruit trees were created and grown on the third day:
"And God said, 'Let the Earth put forth vegetables and plant yielding seed and the fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the Earth. And it was so. The Earth brought forth vegetation, plants, yielding seed according to their own kinds, and the trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a third day." 1:11-13
But we know that none of these vegetation and plants could grow without sun, while the same chapter tells us that the sun was created on the fourth day as mentioned before.
(My comments)
First of all, one of the very first things that God creates in the very beginning of Genesis was light. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. (Genesis 1:3-4) Somehow there was light. If He hadn't created the sun yet, then how was there light? Perhaps it was God's light. Sure, the Book of Genesis says that God created the Heavens and the stars on the fourth day after He created plants, and it does very much tell us that He created the sun and moon on that day as well.
Really... are you going to base all of Christianity on what order/what way God created the earth and the Heavens? What makes you think our small, tiny human minds can even comprehend how God does things? You've got to remember, these are humans who are writing this stuff down. Yes, they are infused with the Holy Spirit like I am, writing down words that come from God. But we are still human. We write what we can comprehend. Imagine that my husband Randy sat down with an 8 year-old and told him in detail all about his job: how he gets plans for new job sites... how he looks over the blueprints and decides what to bid on for concrete... how he measures the plans and does the take-offs to determine numbers which then correspond to prices... and then submits the bid... then waits to hear back... and then upon hearing that he won, assigns a crew accordingly... and then manages the job site to ensure that the crew is working to specs... etc, etc, etc.
Then imagine Randy asked the 8 year-old to write it down in a report so that this 8 year-old's friends could understand. What do you think that might look like? Do you think that kid could even really comprehend exactly how Randy does his job? He might get most of it down in a crude, basic way. Most likely he'll forget to jot down a step or two, and quite possibly he'll mix up one or two of them. But in the end, this 8 year-old kid will understand -- as will his friends -- that Randy is a guy who bids on plans to put in new cement work.
Now imagine that 25 years later, one of the 8 year-old's friends found that report and read it. I'm sure he'd be scratching his head, saying, "Hey, this doesn't quite make sense. I don't know a whole lot about cement work, but I know that there's no way that this Randy guy could win a job first and THEN figure out how much cement-work there is in order to put a price on it. That doesn't make sense." Most likely, either the kid didn't hear Randy right, or the kid wrote it down wrong. In either case, do you honestly think that it matters? Do you think that this guy -- 25 years later -- should say, "Well, obviously since this is all wrong, none of that happened. I don't believe this is even real."
I'm not saying that the Bible is full of mistakes. However, what I am saying is that we humans make mistakes all the time. It's just part of who we are. It's quite possible that it got jotted down wrong. Not to mention that we humans do not have the capacity to even come close to understanding how/why/in what time frame God does things. If anyone even hints to the fact that they do, then that is simply ignorant and blasphemous. And if you are one of those humans who are going to take discrepancies like that and completely toss Christianity out the window, you are grasping onto something that in the end will not matter one iota. I've seen people hold faith and believe in things that are filled with much more head-scratching discrepancies than that: finances, marriages, investments, houses, mortgages, business ventures, etc. If you choose to deny Christ simply because you don't fully understand a piece of Scripture of the Bible, then I will pray for you that you see the other thousands upon thousands of passages that illuminate the way to Christ. Imagine picking up a fantastic novel and tossing the whole thing aside because one of the sentences in the beginning doesn't sit well with you. Or imagine dropping your college education because one of the chapters in a textbook doesn't make any sense to you. Just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make any sense to everyone. I guarantee that there's someone out there that can understand it. Most likely the man who wrote it.
(Commenter)
3. The same chapter states that God, on the sixth day, created man in His own image:
"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our own image, after Our likeness; . . . So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." 1:26-27
Muslims believe that God has no image and no form. He is the Infinite Who encompasses the whole universe. He has neither a body, nor is He material, nor do the visions comprehend Him. To think that God has a form of a man, to the Muslims, is degrading to the whole concept of God.
(My comments)
How do you know that God has no image and no form? Many, many times in the Bible it states that The Lord spoke, or the Lord appeared. The Koran acknowledges the story of Abraham in much the same way the Bible does, right? Genesis 18:1 reads: The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.
How can the Lord speak if He has no form and no image? How can He appear if He has no form and no image? The phrase "The Lord appeared" and "The Lord spoke" occurs many times throughout the Bible. If I'm not mistaken, in the Koran the phrase "Their Lord called unto them" occurs often as well.
Again, you are assuming that you know everything about God. To assume these things is pretty arrogant. I'm not trying to be harsh -- just honest. One has to be pretty full of himself/herself to say, "We know God has no form." You don't know that. You don't know that He has no body. Did He not appear to Moses in the flames at the burning bush? There had to be some type of form for Moses to recognize the Lord in those flames, right? The Lord appeared to Solomon in a dream -- if the Lord has no image, no form, no mouth with which to speak, no body with which to move, how did Solomon "see" the Lord in His dream?
The bottom line is we simply do not know the Lord intimately enough yet to comprehend this. We will, though... one day.
(Commenter)
4. Chapter two contradicts the first chapter. The first chapter, as you know, has stated that vegetation and plants and the trees were created on the third day, before the creation of man, who was created on the sixth day. The second chapter tells us that man was created before vegetation and plants:
"These are the generations of the heavens and the Earth when they were created. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens . . . when no plant of the field was yet in the Earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up-for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth, and there was no man to till the ground ... but a mist went up from the Earth and watered the whole face of the ground . . . then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being . . . And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden, in the East; and there He put the man whom He had formed.... And out of the ground the Lord God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." Genesis 2:4-9
This statement clearly indicates that there was no plant before the creation of man.
There is another point in this statement, namely, that there is a tree of knowledge of good and evil. But we know that knowledge does not grow on trees; it comes through experience and learning.
(My comments)
Again, this commenter is picking apart discrepancies in the order/time that things were written in the Book of Genesis. But we humans cannot understand or comprehend time as it is to God. To try and suggest that is silly.
I have to shake my head at the comment that "knowledge doesn't grow on trees; it comes through experience and learning." What? Seriously... in a book that has miracles and healing of the poor, and giving sight to the blind, and parting of the Red Sea, and turning water into wine... you are going to question this???? I don't mean to be condescending. If two people are the first people on the earth, who is going to teach them anything, if not God? Who is to say that there wasn't a Tree of Knowledge back then? Who's to say that upon the New Earth under the reign of Christ, there won't be all kinds of magnificent trees like this? God rose a man from the dead. He planted the seed of life of His holy son within a virgin woman. I assure you, if God wanted to have a tree of knowledge, He can. Even in the Koran it acknowledges the same story as the Bible in regard to Adam & Eve and Satan with the tree. No, it doesn't state that it was a tree of knowledge. But the Koran does state that Adam and Eve learned of their bodies after they ate -- it says that "their bodies became visible to them." Something happened, right? They became aware and ashamed of their bodies. That sounds kind of bizarre just in itself. How can one suddenly "see" their bodies? How can one be "instantly" ashamed?
My friend, God is asking us to read, to believe, to comprehend and to have faith. He does not ask us to pick apart each passage, trying to dissect it as something that could happen in our time or not. We do not live in an age of miracles and unbelievable occurrences that come from God. We live in an age of faith.
Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. We live by faith, not by sight. (2 Cor 5:6-7)
Stay tuned for part 2 of this commentary rebuttal tomorrow...
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Maria,
I did not know this time last year you weren't a Christian. Your growth seems so great, I would have thought you’ve studied and believed for years. I do very much believe that God speaks to us in many ways and thru your heart is definitely a way. Anonymous was well spoken and wrote well and your rebuttal was just as well written. Your analogy of Randy teaching an 8 yr old his job is quite true when comparing to the Bible. Man reads the Bible and he interprets. Each person will see and read it differently. Fascinating post today-thought provoking and interesting. Can’t wait for Part II!
When our belief in God precedes any other religious belief, the evidence which produces such a belief must be universal and available to every rational being, whether committed or uncommitted to a particular religion.
The Holy Qur'an offers the universe as evidence on the existence of its Creator. The material world, its celestial bodies, the earth, and the other planets, are viewed by Islam to be the main evidence of the Creator of matter and energy. The material world is observable by the atheist as well as by the believer, by the illiterate as well as by the philosopher. One may reflect on the formation of the heavenly bodies and the existence of the matter and energy without being committed to any particular religion or recognizing any religious book.
it became clear that the Creator of the universe must be Absolute and Unlimited. He encompasses the whole universe. He is Omnipresent and never absent from anywhere. With His Omnipresence, His visibility is not going to make us believe in Him or know Him. His visibility would be very destructive to us. Before we know Him with His Omnipresence, we would perish. His visibility would be blinding to every human being.
Suppose that the air (which exists only in a very limited space) is visible. It would have a color, and we would not be able to see anything but the air because it fills the atmosphere. Should this be the case, we would not be able to acquire our food or water, nor would we be able to find roads or shelters. If the visibility of the air which exists only in the atmosphere of our little planet would be so blinding and destructive, what would be the case of the visibility of the Creator who encompasses the universe? When we think of this, we realize how fortunate we are not to be able to see God, our Creator.
In order to believe in something, you do not necessarily have to see it. You believe in electricity, yet you cannot see it. You believe in it only because you see its products such as light, heat, etc. If this is sufficient to make you a believer in the existence of electricity, the great universe should be sufficient to every human being to believe in the existence of its Creator.
Your very existence is a great evidence on the existence of Adam and Eve, or let us say the first two human beings. You did not see Adam and Eve, but you believe that they existed.
To make it more clear: You came through your parents. Your parents came through their parents, and your grandparents came through their parents, and so on. You may continue going back until you reach Adam and Eve. If you deny the existence of the first two human beings, you would be eliminating the first generation of their children. By eliminating the first generation, you eliminate the second and what is beyond it. Finally, you have to eliminate your own parents. Then you have to eliminate yourself. But you say to yourself: I cannot do that because I am here. Then you have to say: Adam and Eve were there.
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a causeless cause to be the source of the existence of the universe. Then we have to deny the existence of the universe. We would also have to deny ourselves because we are a part of the universe.
Islam is very liberal in this matter. It may demand from a person to believe in certain principles but, at the same time, it advises him to try to base his belief on evidence. It sets him free to raise any question and does not condemn him when he doubts, if his doubt is followed by an intensive effort to find the truth. If any other religion advises him to avoid discussing principles other than its own and makes him fear provoking the anger of God by doing so, Islam makes one feel secure from God's anger if he pursues his search for the truth.
As a matter of fact, Islam never advises one to avoid discussion that may lead to a new knowledge and a new discovery of a truth. Be not afraid, Islam advises, to discuss any religious principle, whether it is Islamic or non-Islamic. Never worry or fear God's anger because He is the God of truth, He never condemns a person for seeking truth. On the contrary, the more one seeks the truth and conducts intensive research, the more he deserves the Divine reward from the Islamic point of view.
Islam is called the religion of One God because its main theme is the unity of God. The doctrine of One God is the most emphasized and repeated principle in the Holy Qur'an. When Islam was introduced to the world, people were mostly idol-worshippers. Some religions preached the Oneness of God but in an unclear form. Some of them ascribed to God an anthropomorphic image. The most important point of the contents of the new heavenly message was to correct the idol-worshippers and to remove whatever clouded the concept of One God.
Upon serious thought, one can easily accept a religious teaching which declares the following: There is no God but the Almighty Who created the whole universe; none is worthy of worship but He; He is the Lord alone, without partner, associate, or son; He did not beget nor was He begotten, and nothing is like Him; He is the Just, the Merciful, and the Powerful, neither anthropomorphic nor physical; and His power encompasses the whole universe.
Such a simple and uncompromising monotheism is readily acceptable to the human mind which seeks an explanation to the existence of the world. It does not confuse the human mind by stating that God is One and that He, at the same time, is more than one. Nor does it represent God as a human being born out of another human being.
They do not contradict each other, nor do they contradict any other established truth. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all advocate the justice of God and His fairness. Islam, however, takes this fundamental concept and follows it thoroughly. It builds on it many other religious concepts which follow the concept of justice inseparably. When God is just and fair, He does not impose on any soul to do what is beyond its ability. Islam tells us also that the Most Just does not hold an individual responsible except for what he does by his own choice. He does not hold a person responsible for the sins of his father or forefathers because he had no control over their actions.
Islam tells us also that because God does not hold a person responsible for what his father did, He does not condemn the whole human race for a sin that was committed before the existence of any human generation. Such a condemnation is contradictory to the concept of the justice of God Instead of burdening mankind with the original sin, Islam tells us that every human being is born pure and free of any sin, and will stay so, until he commits a sin as an adult.
A truth never contradicts another truth. Therefore, Islam proclaims that there is only one heavenly religion which has been revealed at different times to the prophets whom the Almighty had commissioned to convey His messages to mankind. It is inconceivable that the Almighty would reveal a certain doctrine to one messenger and then reveal to another messenger a doctrine that contradicts the first one. The Almighty has revealed his heavenly principles, commandments and laws at different stages of the human civilization according to the capacity of the human understanding. The subsequent revelation supplements, and never contradicts, the previous ones. Therefore, Islam says that it is a duty for every Muslim to recognize and respect Jesus, Moses, and all true prophets and their true teachings. This is repeatedly recorded in the Holy Qur'an:
"Say: We believe in God and (in) that which has been revealed to us, and to Abraham, .. .and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit." 2:136
The Christians who were in contact with the Muslims in the early days of Islam observed the great respect the Muslims had for Jesus. As a result, millions of them embraced Islam, not because they wanted to abandon the teaching of Jesus, but because they wanted to continue their adherence to his true teaching within the coherent teaching of Islam.
Islam, like Christianity, invites people to its principles and calls upon the non-Muslims to join its followers. However, Islam has never organized missions such as those of Christianity. Whenever a non-Muslim shows an interest in learning about Islam, it is the duty of every Muslim to inform him. Such work, however, is far from being organized missions.
The absence of clergy in Islam was one of the reasons for the absence of organized missions parallel to those of Christianity. Another factor is that a great number of Muslims incline to believe that Islam would spread without missionaries. This inclination was a result of many spectacular gains for Islam through no great efforts on the part of the Muslims.
Millions of people in many countries embraced Islam, not through organized missions, but through their contact with some Muslims who impressed them with their integrity and sound principles. Those Muslims imparted the ideas of their faith to the others, not because they were sent by some authorities as missionaries, but because they believed that Islam is every Muslim's business.
This huge army of missionaries is supported by thousands of religious organizations who are spending billions of dollars every year on these missions. Compared to this, the Muslims have some information centers whose number throughout the world does not reach one thousand. These centers do not enjoy any of the financial support which the Christian missionaries receive, nor do they aim at converting others. Their work is only to inform, within their limitation, those who seek information about Islam.
To respond to the example of an 8 year old child writing down your husband's work and to your response....
"I'm not saying that the Bible is full of mistakes. However, what I am saying is that we humans make mistakes all the time. It's just part of who we are. It's quite possible that it got jotted down wrong. Not to mention that we humans do not have the capacity to even come close to understanding how/why/in what time frame God does things."
Then is it not possible that people misunderstood the words of Jesus?
Christians and Catholics may be astonished that Muslims count Jesus as one of God’s messengers. The Holy Qur'an affirms that he was born to the Virgin Mary, that he is a “word” of God, and that he will some day return, but Islam denies the crucifixion of Jesus and denies that he is the Son of God. God’s words were revealed to mortal people called prophets or messengers. Although Islam stress that Mohammad was the last of the prophets, Muslims recognize and venerate many others, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jonah, and Job. Biblical personages (such as King Solomon) reappear in the Holy Qur’an as prophets. All prophets must be revered: no one prophet, not even Mohammad may be exalted above others. No more prophets will come before Judgment Day.
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